ACC Player of the Year and Coach of the Year

[CoeburnCane]

I wouldn't post their stats either if I were you. Glad we had one of these this year, I was beginning to wonder. I knew this would eat at your heart.

Wow..."eat at my heart"? No sir. I don't take too much seriously anymore. I suggest you start doing the same.

[Unchained]

I don't have a problem with him getting POY based on his performance but man is he ever a punk. Heck of a player but a smart A__ attitude.

Not so sure about that. He's Latino,and if you've ever been around any of thses folks,you'll see alot of passion,animated exhuberance,and confidence. Many times folks mistake that for a punk swagga. Those folks have their hearts on their sleeves,and he's no different. I enjoyed seeing the fired-up emotion in the Duke game. That's what all ballers should possess. I can see an argument for him and the Dukie as well,but I can't hate that he landed the award. It's not like he didn't deserve it and this was some atrocity.

[CoeburnCane]

I can see an argument for him and the Dukie as well,but I can't hate that he landed the award. It's not like he didn't deserve it and this was some atrocity.

That was kinda my point from the get-go. A case could have been made for Vasquez/Scheyer/Delaney, and a solid case for all of them. But--my boy Double D won't take off his MD glasses long enough to even grant that much that everyone else seems to be rationally thinking.

Que sera-sera.

[pvfan]

If it was close I would agree, Scheyer/Delaney didn't have the season Vasquez had. Frankly, it is not close. To say otherwise is just being a homer.

[CoeburnCane]

To say otherwise is just being a homer.

Wow...look who's talking!!!

[pvfan]

Still not seen your argument that he shouldn't have won it. haha

[CoeburnCane]

Still not seen your argument that he shouldn't have won it. haha

When did I claim that, ever? I said he was worthy of it, just as worthy as Scheyer/Delaney. You keep forgetting that I thought Delaney was just as good of a choice b/c he's right up there with Scheyer/Vasquez, IMO...look, knowing me, and knowing my disdain for anything VT related, why in the world would I be giving Delaney his due unless 1) he deserved it, and/or 2) I honestly think he was a viable candidate? I'm such a homer I'm giving a VT guy his due, and in the same breath a MD guy his due. But, because I say all 3 guys are worthy of it, I'm a Duke homer b/c the 3rd guy is Scheyer???

Who's being an irrational homer now man...talk about embarrassing. The only thing I said in the beginning was that all 3 were worthy, that Vasquez wasn't a "slam dunk" choice. You got your schwartz in a wad and got peeved b/c I didn't say Vasquez was the ONLY choice. Sorry to break it to ya, but you're looking a lot more biased here than I.

[R0cketer]

Gotta agree on this one....the bias part

If someone loves a team or a player or a coach, and they get themselves convinced that people off of that team are the only options, slam dunk choices, its kind of bad to then turn around and call someone else a homer.

Not saying that he isn't player of the year, honestly haven't watched enough to give a greatly informed opinion. Just I don't often find cases where there is one person or player that is so clearly up and above any other options. You do find them but when the person expressing that opinion is a fan of that team, its a bit cloudy

[Biggin]

Here are the stats, instead of just claiming someone is bias and acting like that matters, here are the cold, hard facts.

(PPG, APG, 3P&, RPG, BPG, SPG)
Vasquez:
19.6 6.3 .382 4.6 0.3 1.6
Scheyer:
18.9 5.2 .399 3.5 0.2 1.6
Delaney:
20.9 4.2 .320 3.6 0.1 1.2

[Biggin]

im far from a Maryland fan, but he was the only logical choice for ACC POY